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Post by Dario Tashavan on Jan 17, 2013 13:22:29 GMT -6
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Post by chaiguy on Jan 17, 2013 13:44:06 GMT -6
I'll quote Nymerias from the Initiate thread.
Nymerias: Sentinel/Watcher- The leaders tasked with guiding the group and overseeing all aspects of guild functions with the rest of the Inner Circle but with more final power.
Inner Circle- The council of Guardians tasked with overseeing all aspects of the guild functions. They are responsible for calling for votes and determining at what level they should be voted on.
Guardian- Individual tasked with overseeing their Ring and serving in the Inner Circle.
Warden- Officer of their Ring tasked with supporting their Guardian in whatever form needed. Responsibility on voting on internal Ring matters and top-level Circle matters. This status might be required to hold certain positions within a Ring depending on each Ring’s charter.
Keeper- Member of their Ring, responsibility on voting on general matters of the Circle. On internal matters of their Ring they can voice their concerns to the Wardens to ensure they are heard. Must be a Keeper for X amount of time before a Warden of their Ring may sponsor them for Wardenship.
Initiate- New recruit that needs to be sponsored by a Keeper. They will have no vote in any level of the Circle. They take time to get used to the organization and get to know the people. When they feel ready they may ask to join a Ring at which time the Wardens of said Ring will take a vote. If the vote passes they will become a Keeper of said ring. The time spent as an Initiate will also give Shadow a chance to clear them of espionage suspicion.
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Post by Dario Tashavan on Jan 17, 2013 13:46:13 GMT -6
It's ok to go ahead and post the actual proposals in the RFP thread. =P I just created a seperate discussion thread so the proposals themselves are easier to read and don't get lost.
But I know Nym has a more refined version that she's looking to post as she sent me a draft of it earlier.
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Post by Nymerias on Jan 17, 2013 14:11:08 GMT -6
I appreciate the quote though Hark, Erian and I are collaborating to refine the first proposal I posted there. It isn't ready to be formally submitted cause we are still collaborating. If you would like to see the current draft send me a PM.
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Post by Erian El'ranelen on Jan 17, 2013 14:53:10 GMT -6
I'd like to suggest some expansion of the topic. If we're just to cover ranks, the only real question (I think) is Initiate or no. If we're to fully cover what each of those roles entails, I believe it should cover the rights of each rank, and that includes voting rights that cover advancement. IS there some advantage to be gained be precluding that portion of each role from the current discussion?
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Post by Dario Tashavan on Jan 17, 2013 15:03:00 GMT -6
Rights and responsibilites of the ranks, including voting, would fall within the purview of this discussion. I excluded advancement to allow that to be decided separately, once a basic definition of each rank has been agreed on. Rather than try to have a single vote for the entire charter, or large swathes of it, I think that a more granular approach, handling things by subsection will produce a document that better reflects the views of the group as a whole, instead of a situation where members are like "Well, I like this bit of this one, and this bit of that one. I *really* like this one, but it's got this one thing that's just a non-starter for me." It's possible at any level of resolution, but I think the finer things are, the less prevalant or prominent it will be.
As far as "Initiate or no?" being the only question, I would disagree with that. We also have questions of "What is the basic level of membership? Keeper? Warden?" as well "Does a member join one ring, or many?". Additionally, the scope and role of the Inner Circle as a group and that of the Sentinel and Watcher are at best vague, and would benefit.
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Post by Drake on Jan 17, 2013 23:06:25 GMT -6
Posted my idea (ok, an expansion on Nym's idea) to the Proposal thread. It includes how belonging to multiple Rings would work. The simple fact you have to be Voted to be a Warden will keep most from being Warden's of multiple rings. Those who manage to become Warden's of multiple rings are likely to be very active in every ring they are a Warden of.
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Post by Drake on Jan 18, 2013 0:27:39 GMT -6
I just updated the Ring of Earth Sub-Charter (Proposed) with Rank information as it relates to within the Ring of Earth. Please note, this is all still just a Proposal and final decisions on Rank Structure within the Circle will likely dictate additional modification, (not to mention Voting to approve or reject the charter as written will be needed at some point.)
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Post by Nymerias on Jan 18, 2013 9:44:21 GMT -6
I am totally fine with people copying from my original post to make augmentations to, but I am really not good at looking for differences between two very similar pieces of words. You don't have to do this, but it would greatly assist me in understanding the different merits of the various ideas.
It would be really great if you could go back into your proposals and highlight where you made the changes.
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Post by Drake on Jan 18, 2013 10:45:26 GMT -6
Underlined my additions, there were not "changes" just additions.
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Post by doomcrow on Jan 18, 2013 11:23:51 GMT -6
Upon Nym's encouragement, I have begun drafting a proposal of my own, which I shall post to the proposal thread before the deadline.
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Post by Bristol Glory on Jan 18, 2013 17:35:52 GMT -6
All the proposals so far have been great! Everyone seems to be roughly on the same page and very much in-line with our discussions over the past few weeks.
The one note I'll share for now (I'm at work) is that we need to be careful about staying topical, and this may just be an issue of wording. If, for example, we list Initiates as non-members, their involvement in the structure proposal needs to stop there. Discussion of the application process should be handled separately, and while a note of where such a group would be placed within the group is good to include, further details can be excluded for the time being. However, if one should suggest Initiates be considered an official guild rank (in-game members of the guild in some way,) obviously the relevant information should be included.
I'm excited to see what other proposals we get in the coming days.
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Post by Dario Tashavan on Jan 19, 2013 10:50:49 GMT -6
Made a minor edit to my proposal for clarification. Added the final sentence to the Guardians section.
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Post by Hroderich Gottfrei on Jan 19, 2013 10:55:04 GMT -6
Perhaps we should clarify here what Top Level (Non Keeper) and All-Level votes might entail? For example, would everyone or just the Wardens vote on taxes? on war? on founding a new settlement? on adding a new building? on dueling? etc.
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Post by Dario Tashavan on Jan 19, 2013 11:28:56 GMT -6
In my mind, changes to circle-wide policies, or new circle-wide commitments would fall under a general warden vote. So things like changes to the tax rates, the settlement charter, declarations of war, new formal alliances. The Inner Circle would be responsible for more day-to-day matters, managing the affairs of their Rings and the administrative and disciplinary needs of the Circle. They would also be the source of most of the ring-wide votes, I would think.
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