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Post by chaiguy on Jan 5, 2013 15:17:58 GMT -6
I'm guessing the Keeper's titles Initiate/Keeper/ect. go to the player, not the PC? If so how are we going to handle people with multiple PCs in the Circle? I would imagine that if the player was elevated all of his PCs would change titles.
For example my main PC is a Warden, I guess my alt would also be a Warden?
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Post by Hroderich Gottfrei on Jan 5, 2013 15:53:19 GMT -6
I was actually going to bring this up, because this could be confusing. This is why (initially) I advocated a simple two tier system + elections - If I'm a Warden, I get one direct vote in Circle matters and with Ring matters I'm involved in. If I have two PCs, do I get two votes? This is definitely something we need to clear up. Thank you, Chai!
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Post by Dario Tashavan on Jan 5, 2013 16:58:02 GMT -6
I'm somewhat torn on this, honestly. I'll have to give it some thought. I only see it as a problem because part of the voting mechanic will be in-game, which means a player with two warden rank characters would, theoretically, get two votes. And I don't like that. There's something to be said for an alt, by virtue of being an alt, is precluded from warden status, but I don't necessarily like that either. Doubly so because it's an honor system thing, since we'll have no way of knowing for sure if a character is an alt or not, and someone looking to game the system for extra votes is exactly the sort of person who'd hide their alt anyway.
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Post by Hroderich Gottfrei on Jan 5, 2013 17:06:57 GMT -6
Yeah, I'm really not sure how we address that. Maybe we just institute a rule that says each player gets to vote once and if we think/figure out someone is abusing the system, we go after them for that?
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Post by Lorhayden on Jan 5, 2013 18:08:44 GMT -6
This will depend on how they show characters. Many games will show just your toons name others will show your toons name with your screen name at the end. I'm thinking of Cryptics titles here. So it will depend on naming convention. What I mean is if they do it the cryptic way then 1 person 1 vote. If they do not show the persons second name then 1 PC 1 vote. The likely hood is that if you have 2 toons they will be in different Rings with different "paths" that they are going down and probably have different objectives.
That being said, I think each toon should be treated as a separate entity.
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Post by Dario Tashavan on Jan 5, 2013 18:51:30 GMT -6
Lor, Ryan has said he intends to not share info on alts in game.
I think that's the best bet, Hrod, though there's still a lingering question. If we allow only one ring per character, is it per character or per player? And if per character, do they have to go through the induction to warden separately?
My gut says per character, and yes.
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Post by WxCougar on Jan 5, 2013 18:53:36 GMT -6
Per character makes more sense to me, particularly on an RP level.
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Post by Hroderich Gottfrei on Jan 5, 2013 18:55:47 GMT -6
The only problem with a Circle vote for each character is that means that political power rests with those with the most characters in the Circle. Unless you have to apply for wardenship with each and maintain the same standards, in which case, sure, that does make sense.
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Post by WxCougar on Jan 5, 2013 19:00:22 GMT -6
I should have appended on initiation and wardenship potential to my previous post. That each character has to go through it. I think that each player should get one vote for sake of fairness sake.
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Post by Dario Tashavan on Jan 5, 2013 19:11:10 GMT -6
Sorry, I may have muddied several thoughts there. 1 vote per player, but each character can be a warden (and need not be of the same ring), though each would have to be inducted as a warden separately.
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Post by Hroderich Gottfrei on Jan 5, 2013 19:25:11 GMT -6
The problem with that is some people will have multiple accounts and use one character from each account to try to push their political power out. But I don't think it's a big enough issue to worry about, more like something to investigate and deal with if it ever arises.
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Post by Dario Tashavan on Jan 5, 2013 20:22:54 GMT -6
Yes, but that's a risk no matter what we do. They can use two accounts to present as two totally different people. Unless we try to run FBI background checks on everyone who applies.
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Post by Hroderich Gottfrei on Jan 5, 2013 20:24:59 GMT -6
From here on out, all new members must maintain and present a TS-SCI to be able to gain access. And yeah, I'm with you on this. Worry about it if/when it becomes a problem.
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Post by Dario Tashavan on Jan 5, 2013 20:30:15 GMT -6
All I really need is their SSN, I can look them up with that. =P
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Post by Gintigael Gemweaver on Jan 5, 2013 21:13:53 GMT -6
I think that it is best if we keep it to one Wardenship per person. I don't see why someone needs to be a Warden with their alts (if you have a reason please tell me, I'm interested to know) and I can see many reasons as far as votes in game that it would be a bad reason. As far as fraud, it is probably not going to be an issue. The amount of alts the game is talking about allowing will not be enough to sway politics in game, and if they are found out all we have to do is kick them out of the guild... sheesh, we could even put bounties on their heads so they never come near a civilized settlement.
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