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Post by Hroderich Gottfrei on Jan 5, 2013 21:37:13 GMT -6
First name, last name, and one of like 12 other details will let you cross reference people on several of the naughty boards. Gintigael: For roleplay purposes, I'd like Grom to be able to work his way up to being a Warden - especially if I'm fighting hard to get him as much play time as I'm giving Hroderich, my main. Tangentially, if someone is going to the trouble of maintaining as much work as it takes to keep multiple characters at Warden-level, maybe they deserve the extra votes. On the flip side, I don't want to favor power-gamers over casuals when it comes to guild politics.
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Post by Dario Tashavan on Jan 5, 2013 21:51:56 GMT -6
First name, last name, and one of like 12 other details will let you cross reference people on several of the naughty boards. Pffth, I've gotten someone's birth certificate and credit history off a livejournal name. I used to do this for a living.
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Post by Leonidas Wahrheit on Jan 5, 2013 23:51:47 GMT -6
I'm unsure. Though I'm always a huge advocate of sticking to RP, I'm worried about the potential abuse of power this could cause.
Perhaps it would be wise to institute something along the lines of "Your main character may vote in the decisions which involve his or her ring as well as the decisions of the group whereas your alt. may only vote in the decisions which involve his or her ring." I'm all about compromise, so maybe there's a way to work this out.
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Post by Dario Tashavan on Jan 6, 2013 8:40:30 GMT -6
That's sort of what I was thinking, Leo, with the caveat that, if they are both in the same ring, you only get one vote.
Edit to add doorknob thought: If it's possible, perhaps we could have two separate (mechanical) ranks of Warden(Voting) and Warden(Non-voting) in game. From an IC perspective, they'd be the same thing, non-voting wardens would just be a rank reserved for alts. From the sounds of things, we'll only be using the in-game system for circle wide votes anyway, and ring votes would be done on the forums?
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Post by Lorhayden on Jan 6, 2013 9:15:16 GMT -6
Dario I really like that idea for voting and non-voting Wardens. I typically have 3-4 alts in a game and for RP purposes would like for them to be able to interact at a higher level in the Company; if they are in the Company.
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Post by Leonidas Wahrheit on Jan 6, 2013 9:52:22 GMT -6
That's a great idea, Dario. I completely agree with you. It still lets your alt. have some muscle within the Guild, but eliminates the possibility of someone abusing power with multiple characters.
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Post by Gintigael Gemweaver on Jan 6, 2013 10:35:56 GMT -6
How many levels of the guilds are we going to have? So far we have proposed Sentinel Watcher Guardians Voting Wardens Non-voting Wardens Keepers Initiates That's not counting the levels within each Ring. Are we drifting from "Maximize freedom of choice" aspect by creating a rigid guild structure? Personally I love a good, strong guild structure, but I keep looking at the role of the guild set down on the document and wonder if that's really what we are trying to achieve or if we are trying to create control over freedom? Should Maximize freedom of choice be on our manifesto?
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Post by Dario Tashavan on Jan 6, 2013 10:41:22 GMT -6
Well, personally, I'm siding against an initiate level. That's basically what Keepers are, froshes trying to figure out what ring they should pledge to, if any. =P
Voting and non-voting wardens are really the same rank, just a metagame construction due to the mechanics of voting, so that leaves us with:
Sentinel Watcher Guardians Wardens Keepers
Which is where we started off.
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Post by Gintigael Gemweaver on Jan 6, 2013 10:43:29 GMT -6
What powers does a non-voting Warden have over a Keeper? What makes him more than a Keeper? Or is it just an honorary title because someone has been working on 2 characters for a long time?
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Post by Dario Tashavan on Jan 6, 2013 10:47:31 GMT -6
Non-voting is there only for alts for people who have full warden status already. That way your alt character is still a warden for IC purposes, but doesn't skew guild politics too drastically.
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Post by Leonidas Wahrheit on Jan 6, 2013 11:02:20 GMT -6
Exactly right.
Really, I don't think there was even a title for "Initiates" so far as "people wanting to join our guild." They don't have a title (besides the one we give them) and they're not even members of this group. I would say they're more "applicants" than "initiates," if titles must be bestowed.
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Post by Hroderich Gottfrei on Jan 6, 2013 11:05:04 GMT -6
I agree with Dario - and I'm alright with leaving off initiates from the list. Other offices/ranks are dependent upon each ring and entirely up to them to create - the basic hierarchy of the Guild itself is really simple. =]
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Post by WxCougar on Jan 6, 2013 11:14:04 GMT -6
I agree with this too
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Post by Nymerias on Jan 8, 2013 11:34:41 GMT -6
Wait, so Keepers are not associated with rings? You have to obtain Wardenship to be associated with a ring?
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Post by WxCougar on Jan 8, 2013 11:55:13 GMT -6
I was under the impression that a Keeper could either not be associated with a ring (likely at the start when they are still learning "what they want to be when they grow up"), or they can be associated with a ring. Ie, General Keeper, or Keeper of Wood/Light/Shadow etc.
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