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Post by WxCougar on Jan 16, 2013 11:58:49 GMT -6
Oh no, not you too Nym! It'll be tough that's for sure to determine who is using an alt for spying. But I'm sure we'll try our best to keep those people out without being too suspicious and scare the good people away.
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Post by doomcrow on Jan 16, 2013 12:11:21 GMT -6
Hopefully they'll devise some way to combat that problem in-game but you're right, they won't be able to tell if a player is taking information his character sees/hears and going with it to the enemy outside the means of the game. That's crappy but I guess that's the way it is.
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Post by Dario Tashavan on Jan 16, 2013 12:12:52 GMT -6
It's quite possible that it's paranoia from the years I've spent in intel, but I'm actually not ruling out the possibility that someone's doing exactly that, Nym.
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Post by Dario Tashavan on Jan 16, 2013 12:14:30 GMT -6
Hopefully they'll devise some way to combat that problem in-game but you're right, they won't be able to tell if a player is taking information his character sees/hears and going with it to the enemy outside the means of the game. That's crappy but I guess that's the way it is. No system can monitor activity taking place outside itself. It will be up to us, as players, to smell when something is fishy.
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Post by Nymerias on Jan 16, 2013 12:15:34 GMT -6
Hopefully they'll devise some way to combat that problem in-game but you're right, they won't be able to tell if a player is taking information his character sees/hears and going with it to the enemy outside the means of the game. That's crappy but I guess that's the way it is. I would have a vague amount of respect for the dishonest who kept all of their shady actions in-game. If they needed to report back to their people they have to travel there, use passwords, risk being caught etc. Those who do so by jumping on someones vent channel and reporting on us in real-time is a meanie butt who ruins the fun.
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Post by Dario Tashavan on Jan 16, 2013 12:23:38 GMT -6
It's blindlingly common in EVE, and I suspect this game will rapidly draw something similar.
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Post by Hroderich Gottfrei on Jan 16, 2013 12:24:03 GMT -6
This is pretty much exactly what I had in mind when I'd suggested the one Ring per Warden. You have your principle focus area, and a direct say in what occurs there. In secondary areas you may be interested in, you have a voice, but no direct control. And all Wardens would have direct input into Circle-wide affairs. This. Also, the way Wardens would be in other Rings is how I envisioned Keepers with Circle matters - they'd still get votes on their ring specific things in certain cases - Should we build a mine here, should we train on tuesday, should we focus on lightning spells for now, etc - but they wouldn't have direct votes in Circle matters - or should that be reversed? If so, why become a Warden unless you aim for an office?
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Post by Hroderich Gottfrei on Jan 16, 2013 12:25:48 GMT -6
As for spies, I'm with Dario - my Old Man was Intel and I grew up reading/learning everything he could teach me. It's not paranoid if the bad guys exist.
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Post by Dario Tashavan on Jan 16, 2013 12:30:30 GMT -6
I always preferred the alternate.
"There's nothing wrong with thinking everyone is out to get you. It's natural. They are. Paranoia is thinking they're all working together."
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Post by Hroderich Gottfrei on Jan 16, 2013 12:44:58 GMT -6
Also very true. Coincidences don't exist, either. At least, not 3+ coming together at once.
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Post by Gintigael Gemweaver on Jan 16, 2013 14:42:55 GMT -6
If we want to talk about spies lets make a thread about spies. This thread is about Initiates
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Post by Drake on Jan 18, 2013 11:06:24 GMT -6
In the write up I did in the Ring of Earth's proposed charter I added Rank information including an Initiate level, but it's not an actual RANK within Earth, I'll post what I wrote about it here. This actualy makes the charter flexible on weather we have an official Initiate rank or not. Initiates* - Initiates may participate in Official operations and personal operations as they wish. They may request assistance from Keepers and Wardens for personal operations. Initiates may voice thier opinions on most Ring matters. They do not recieve a Vote an any Ring matters. *Initiate is not a true Rank within the Ring of Earth but more of a level of participation within the Ring. An Initiate is any member of the Keepers of the Circle that expresses interest in the Ring of Earth but is not a Keeper or higher ranked member of the Ring. Even the Sentinal can be concidered an Initiate in the Ring of Earth when not acting in an official Sentinal capacity. Read more: keepersofthecircle.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=earthinfo&thread=91&page=1#2375#ixzz2ILcUSIoS
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Post by Bristol Glory on Jan 18, 2013 17:39:48 GMT -6
In regards to Initiates in general: I think I'm on the same page as most here. I see them as an entry-level guild 'rank' for a trial period. The way I envision it, they will be added to the roster in-game, so they can easily participate in guild-wide chat, and be more exposed to the rest of the guild. They'll feel more a part of the Circle, and we'll have a better time seeing how they fit. Naturally, they would be able to voice their opinion on certain matters, but hold no real power.
As far as the spy concern goes, as I said in the other thread: Initiates would hold no real power, an obviously our higher-level decisions and sensitive materials would be locked away from standard and guest accounts on the forums. I do think they should be considered one of our number, even during their trial period, just with limited power while we find out whether we're a good match for one another.
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Post by Nymerias on Jan 18, 2013 17:43:54 GMT -6
In regards to Initiates in general: I think I'm on the same page as most here. I see them as an entry-level guild 'rank' for a trial period. The way I envision it, they will be added to the roster in-game, so they can easily participate in guild-wide chat, and be more exposed to the rest of the guild. They'll feel more a part of the Circle, and we'll have a better time seeing how they fit. Naturally, they would be able to voice their opinion on certain matters, but hold no real power. That is exactly what I was originally suggesting. It does help to have them actually be an in-game rank for the get to know you period.
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Post by Dare on Jan 20, 2013 3:05:08 GMT -6
Hi all, I'm not sure if I should post this here but it relates to something Nym posted in this thread. Nym quoted the Charter and then defined the ranks. The pertinent parts are: “The Circle itself is a representation of Life; as such, those who are Keepers of the Circle support that which advances life. The Circle of life is made up of Rings, each of which covers a different aspect of life. Every member of the Circle is known as a Keeper - each Keeper may belong to no Rings, one Ring, or several Rings, but may only hold elected rank in a single Ring at a time.” Keeper- Member of their Ring, responsibility on voting on general matters of the Circle. On internal matters of their Ring they can voice their concerns to the Wardens to ensure they are heard. Must be a Keeper for X amount of time before a Warden of their Ring may sponsor them for Wardenship. Read more: www.keepersofthecircle.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=gd&action=display&thread=56&page=3#ixzz2IVJoRC1hThe charter states that a Keeper can be unassociated with any ring ... but the definition of a Keeper states that they are a part of at least one ring. I'm not sure whether any of you noticed this. Dare
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