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Post by Leonidas Wahrheit on Jan 17, 2013 9:46:01 GMT -6
I think most of the Guardian positions and their officers have been determined in the charters of each ring. What we really need is a definition of our Sentinel, Watcher, and the entirety of the Inner Circle and what responsibilities they hold (as well as how they could be removed).
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Post by Gintigael Gemweaver on Jan 17, 2013 9:51:13 GMT -6
Isn't the Inner Circle - Sentinel, Watcher and Guardians? What else would there be?
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Post by doomcrow on Jan 17, 2013 9:51:33 GMT -6
I think most of the Guardian positions and their officers have been determined in the charters of each ring. What we really need is a definition of our Sentinel, Watcher, and the entirety of the Inner Circle and what responsibilities they hold (as well as how they could be removed). Yes Leo, I am referring to the Sentinel and Watcher positions specifically. I agree with your statement on the Guardian positions, however what they can do in their capacity as Inner Circle members has not been clearly defined as far as I can tell. I move that voting on Sentinel and Watcher be suspended until the powers, responsibilities, and checks and balances of these positions have been determined, as they are two of the most important in the Circle and therefore need to be clearly defined before anyone is installed in those seats of power.
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Post by Leonidas Wahrheit on Jan 17, 2013 9:52:12 GMT -6
That's the Inner Circle. You are correct. We still need a solid definition on the full extent of their power as well as how that power could be limited/cut off if abused.
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Post by Leonidas Wahrheit on Jan 17, 2013 9:53:04 GMT -6
And Doomcrow, you make a valid point. I'm going to consult with Hrod later today to see if we can smash out an outline of what exactly the Sentinel and Watcher, as well as the IC, can do.
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Post by doomcrow on Jan 17, 2013 9:53:33 GMT -6
Isn't the Inner Circle - Sentinel, Watcher and Guardians? What else would there be? I believe he is referring to the Checks and Balances portion of the duties of the Inner Circle. As in, what are the duties of the Guardians when it comes to how they function in the Inner Circle and how they check against the Sentinel and Watcher.
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Post by Leonidas Wahrheit on Jan 17, 2013 9:54:52 GMT -6
Isn't the Inner Circle - Sentinel, Watcher and Guardians? What else would there be? I believe he is referring to the Checks and Balances portion of the duties of the Inner Circle. As in, what are the duties of the Guardians when it comes to how they function in the Inner Circle and how they check against the Sentinel and Watcher. Ah. My mistake. Well, that's to be determined. We absolutely must define that.
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Post by WxCougar on Jan 17, 2013 10:10:26 GMT -6
I did recall reading the drafts of the Guardians Watcher and Sentinel on the Facebook page. Did it get put somewhere on the boards?
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Post by Dario Tashavan on Jan 17, 2013 10:13:30 GMT -6
Cougar, it did, but it was more of a vague outline than a description of roles and responsibilites. This is the segment on Sentinel/Watcher positions. Wardens are also elligible for being elected to become the Lord/Lady Sentinel of the Circle - the overall leader/head administrator of the Circle. The second place candidate will be appointed as the Watcher of the Circle, the Lady/Lord Sentinel's deputy.
Collectively, the Guardians of each Ring, the Lady/Lord Sentinel, and the Watcher of the Circle are referred to as The Inner Circle. If there is ever a mechanic for this, they will hold a greater proportion of votes (1.5 for Guardians and Watcher, 2 for Lord/Lady Sentinel). If not, then they will simply represent the members with the most weight of authority within The Circle.
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Post by WxCougar on Jan 17, 2013 10:25:19 GMT -6
@dario. Thanks. There's been so much information everywhere that I'm starting to forget which is what. But that's fairly normal for me ; ).
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Post by Gintigael Gemweaver on Jan 17, 2013 10:26:57 GMT -6
This thread is huge and unwieldy. I am going to make a clean thread to talk about the Duties and Checks and Balances of the Watcher and Sentinel positions.
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Post by doomcrow on Jan 17, 2013 10:33:12 GMT -6
If their voting power is greater than that of normal members doesn't that essentially dilute the voting power of the rest of the Circle? What kind of checks and balance system would there be to ensure they can be removed from office in case something runs afoul like corruption or abuse of power? Do they have the power to overturn a decision made by a Guardian of a Ring? What kind of checks do they have on other members of the Inner Circle and what checks do the others have on them? What defines a period of stagnation if the office holder hasn't been active or hasn't done anything insofar as their position?
We really need to be careful that holding onto these positions be according to ability to lead effectively, referencing their body of work, and conduct as to how they exercise the power of their office and not some kind of popularity contest or clique thing.
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Post by Drake on Jan 17, 2013 11:23:29 GMT -6
At this time, the Sentanal's position is to oversee the whole circle as we define ourselvs. Guardians are the direct representations and organizing force of their specific Rings, Wardens are our main voting force within the each ring and in the Circle as a whole.
At this time, I think that's all we need for "duties and powers" for those positions. As the charter gets better defined, and the responsibilities of each position get better defined with it, we can always hold another election to confirm/change existing officers at that time.
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Post by chaiguy on Jan 17, 2013 11:28:14 GMT -6
At this time, the Sentanal's position is to oversee the whole circle as we define ourselvs. Guardians are the direct representations and organizing force of their specific Rings, Wardens are our main voting force within the each ring and in the Circle as a whole. At this time, I think that's all we need for "duties and powers" for those positions. As the charter gets better defined, and the responsibilities of each position get better defined with it, we can always hold another election to confirm/change existing officers at that time. It seems that Keepers will also vote for certain things too.
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Post by Nymerias on Jan 17, 2013 11:31:55 GMT -6
Chaiguy, that is still currently up for debate. Though I am advocating for it, as it currently stands it had been talked about as Keepers are non-voting members.
Which is why I will suggest in this thread too we move forward with the structure charter proposals and discussion threads.
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